Alex Jones is a nutcase

You haven’t busted any myths my friend. If you watch the video of Silverstein saying he decided to “pull it” it is very clear that “it” was the building, not the fire department officials. Is English your first language? How can you not see that “it” meant the building??

I have watched the video. The thing is, I’m watching it without the preconceived notion that the government planned 9/11. And yes, my first language is English. I know the ins and outs of pronouns, which is why I took Silverstein to mean the fire mission instead of the building. He was talking about the loss of life before he said to “pull it.” This implies he was talking about the firefighters in the building, many of whom had succumbed to falling debris and fire. Better to pull them out and abandon the building than have it fall down around them.

And again, considering Silverstein was no demolitions expert (and neither was the fire chief he was talking to), why would he refer to demolishing the building as “pulling” it? That’s demolition jargon, not often used by people who aren’t in the demolitions business.

Finally, even if Silverstein was referring to the building and he meant demolishing it, why would the fire department agree to that? The only motive for intentionally demolishing the building was insurance fraud and fire departments don’t generally agree to assist in that. So you could assume that “it” refers to the building, but it appears much simpler to say that it doesn’t. Don’t get mad at me for not being as paranoid as you are. It is certainly not “clear” to me that there’s a conspiracy.

Why do you think he’s a liberal? If you believe that the government is out of control and killing it’s own people, why would you want to further empower the government? Conspiracy theorists are generally Ultra-Conservative…maybe even so far as to say they are anarchist.

I suppose they (conspiracy theorists) kind of defy the usual descriptions. I got the impression he was liberal because of some of the other things he’s talked about, and that he bashes neo-cons every chance he gets. Of course, I could be wrong. Maybe he’s just projecting.

Alex is pro-gun, a strict Chrstian, and doesn’t believe women should serve in the military. None of these fall under the liberal belief system

Traditionally, Conspiracy theorist have come from the far right, not the left.

But wouldn’t the far right be more likely to trust the government than the far left? Well, he’s still a nutcase. Any political extremist falls under that category, whether they be from the left or the right.

This is a classic case of discrediting the messenger not the message. Lokk at the pieces of this puzzle….you may not like what you find. As far as the government shooting missiles into government buildings, have you ever heard of the Northwoods Document? Do you homework before you open your uninformed mouth!

Joe, try not to act like an asshole. You’re intruding on my job. I’m discrediting the messenger here because that was the intent of this post. If you’re looking for where I discredit the message, I may have past posts dealing with that. This was never meant to be a post ripping apart 9/11 conspiracy theories. If you want that, I can certainly do that. Why? Because, contrary to your false assumption, I have done my homework. As a result, I find the conspiracy theories to be complete rubbish. Think before you decide to insult the owner of a moderated blog. You may not like what your comments might eventually say.

Cody- right on- I could not agree with you more about alex Jones and all of those affiliated with him. Nut jobs! Trying to scare poeple with their made up stories. My son in a United States Marine and Alex Jones is An Anti American!

Better a nutcase than no nuts at all.
If you are a follower of the official story about 9/11, you simply accept things that do not add up.
It was the government that made claims about what happened that day, not your nutcases – They asked questions and came up with alternative views that would fit reality.
In other words, your nutcases do not need to prove claims, because common sense and specific knowledge easily refute the (absence of) statements of the ’9/11 omission report’.
The only proof they need is the proof that their knowledge (about e.g. physics) is sound. And that I think you can expect that from professors, pilots, or architects.
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But it is not about that, as Sue told herself: it’s about fear.
Nobody tries to scare people.
The thing you are made scared of is the thing you are told about by authorities.
And these authorities provided you with security in the past, so why wouldn’t they provide it to you today.
After all, these authorities have always been the best Americans.
You feel that America did not get what it deserved, because authorities told you so.
You have always been a follower of authority, because that has always been the way to get rewards.
Now you are told that someone else did it, and you forget to take the one who points the finger into account , because the ‘one’ is the one who provided you with rewards.
So you are standing behind the ‘one’, while clinging to the rock that has broken and will fall on your head in the future.
Nobody wants that to happen, but it is your rock. Good luck!

My, this is a popular post.

“If you are a follower of the official story about 9/11, you simply accept things that do not add up.”

No, if I believe the official story, it’s because the conspiracy theories are even more flawed than the official story. We don’t know exactly what happened, so we have to guess. I just find the official guess more believable than “the government did it.” Why? What possible motive could there be for the United States government to attack one of it’s own government buildings containing the Defense Department, which is, quite possibly, the department most dear to the current administration. Doesn’t make sense.

“In other words, your nutcases do not need to prove claims, because common sense and specific knowledge easily refute the (absence of) statements of the ‘9/11 omission report’.”

Everyone needs to prove claims, especially if they’re as outlandish as those the truthers propose. You say common sense refutes the official version, but I fail to see how it’s common sense to confuse airplane wreckage with a missile. Unless the government put airplane seats on the missile. Because that’s a reasonable thing to do…

“The only proof they need is the proof that their knowledge (about e.g. physics) is sound. And that I think you can expect that from professors, pilots, or architects.”

Please to note that professors, pilots, and architects have given proof and made statements against the conspiracy theories. In other words, it is indeed physically possible for a skyscraper to collapse in on itself when its support beams are subjected to the heat of jet fuel after being impacted by a fast-moving airplane (meaning they were already weakened by the time the fire got hot enough to reduce their structural integrity to the breaking or bending point).

As for the second part of your comment…I’m not quite sure what to make of that. Seems a tad bit on the disjointed side. And completely inaccurate.

It may help to know that I don’t automatically trust the government. All authority must prove its trustworthiness before I accept it, and the current administration…well, let’s say I’m anxiously awaiting November 2008. Don’t assume that I agree with the government’s story because it’s the government. I agree with the government’s story because I came to that conclusion independently. I know that may be hard to believe, but I did indeed examine the evidence available and found the official story more reasonable, more accurate, and simply more believable than the conspiracy theories, especially considering the truthers didn’t see fit to provide me with any more evidence than “common sense.” Tough to sway people to your cause when you rely solely on rhetoric.

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To say that Alex Jones is a liberal is rather strange, he was a big oponent of Clinton and has stood as a Republican candidate for state representative in Texas House District 48 in 2000,
futhermore Jones had previously been heavily involved with the rebulding of the davidian cult church of David Coresh of Waco fame.
These facts alone place him squarely into a camp on the nutty christian right.
If anything Jones’ agenda is as a spoiler of more reasonable investigation of what was at the very least mind boggling ineptitude by the bush administration, at most a ‘pearl harbour like event’ conspiracy.
Those infected by Jones’ ideas are left unable to make good contribution on anything with any degree of seriousness as they are seen as the same kind of nut as him.

some things to consider.

1 Explosive demolition of a building is always done from the bottom up, although explosives may be placed futher up to weaken a building just prior to collapse.

2 the term ‘pulling a building’ is used in demolition circles to describe a structures being physically pulled by heavy vehicles into collapse.. it is not used to refer to a building being demolished by means of explosives.

3 if explosives were used, then how did they withstand the 1000 degree temperatures in the fire?

4 a typical building is comprised of about 70% air, 30% structure and furniture, a collapsing building would compress air below and force walls outwards, windows below would be seen to explode as a result of such compressed air in rooms. this is seen in WTC and should not be used to suggest explosive demolition. indeed, if explosives were used then why were windows exploding? explosives would have been placed on steel girders deep inside the structure.

5 explosives would have to be ‘pre burned’ into the steel, this means removing all insulating materials, walls, and some degree of pre cutting on many many floors..

6 demolition experts present at the scene and charged with removal of debris saw no evidence of explosive demolition in the 8 months of removal of the remains of the building.

7 futher examination of girders on various stacks around the site where girders were placed showed no evidence whatsoever of explosived being present, explosives leave very distinct ‘cutting’ marks. it is unlikely in the least that the army of expert demolition experts who were employed to remove the debris spotted no explosive traces if such were used.

8 sizemographic equipment used to monitor buildings in manhatan for insurance purposes see no spikes in their traces which would be present if explosives were used.

Jones is a nutter who obscures what might be a far nastier conspiracy by the witehouse to take america to war, where many more have lost their lives than on 9/11. However reading Alex Jones work provides the reader with less than a credible position and means that they end up being thought of as idiots.
Coupled with Jones’ political views, it is more reasonable to suggest that Jones himself is part of a conspiracy to obscure very pertinent questions about the role of the whitehouse in taking the USA to Iraq.

Marz: Nice to see someone who agrees with me about Jones and his crazy ideas. Anyways, yes, I realize now he’s not a liberal. He’s in fact a paleoconservative. I was confused by his bashing of neoconservatives and his adherence to 9/11 conspiracy theories (often the realm of the kind of people conservative bloggers call “moonbats”), so I incorrectly put him on the far left rather than the far right.

Interesting that you suggest he’s running interference for the Bush administration. I can understand that point of view, though I don’t completely agree. By viciously attacking Bush, he could really be creating support for them, much as some conservatives have said that the Westboro Baptist Church is really pro-homosexual in that they create support for gays by attacking them. Either way, he’s still a nut, and it worries me that people actually pay attention to what he says.

Please don’t underestimate the intelligence services when it comes to their efforts to control hegemony (ruling ideas), Hamas for instance was originally set up by the Israeli intelligence community as a way of distracting support from the PLO, although it is debatable how much influence they have now as Iran appears to be at the reigns these days.
The nation of Islam had as it’s leadership many CIA agents, the IRA was heavily infiltrated by MI5, which was able to stimulate a war between factions leading to a split. Indeed, the mujahadeem, a faction of which later became known by the name of a CIA base they had trained in, became Al qaida.
In all cases the tactic to get to positions of leadership is the same, Agents become the most rabbid oponents of the authorities, they urge the organization to go father than it otherwise might, Basically the idea is to take an organization so far ahead of the masses that nobody follows, the organization becomes a nutty viscious entity which leaves the voice of reason (and support) far behind.

On the website of the project for the new american century (PNAC), a document called “rebuilding America’s defences” which later became the basis for the national security document, states quite clearly that the whitehouse should dominate the media and hide the plan to go to war as the american people were not willing to do so at this time. The document in question was written before 9/11 and goes on to say that all that was missing was a ‘pearl harbour like event’. It also required a limited war in which American troops could become a fighting force again, It clearly calls for an invasion of Iraq and ‘full spectrum domination’ of the middle east and indeed the world.

Bush made no secret of the fact that he hated the WTC before 9/11, he saw it as an obsticle to US dominaton. Likewise both bush and Jones saw the UN and WTC as a ‘new world order’ which must be disbanded or used to perform menial tasks. Both Bush and Jones had the same opinion of WTC and UN.

I do not want to say that there was a conspiracy to demolish the WTC, there is no evidence for this. There was however a conspiracy to take the USA to Iraq, this is spelled out by the signatories of the PNAC, many of whom went on to form the Bush whitehouse administration.

It may be the case that 9/11 was an opportunity which was siezed upon in a way which would make many shudder, There is no doubt that Rumsfled, Cheney disgusted many senior staff in Washington who then went on to resign and spill the beans!!!

This is important, bean spilling is something one would expect to see if something dodgy was going on, We got bean spilling in copious quantities. All this at a time when it was very difficult to raise a voice above the screams of the Pro war media.
A conspiracy to go to war existed and was kept secret until the less than satisfactory explainations of the whitehouse came under question. Those of us who have followed the careers of such people as Rumsfeld from the time he was telling us that Glasnost was a plan by the Russians to invade the USA know only too well what his true colours are.

As for Jones.. I think he is a nut who hs proved to be very useful, siding with what has almost become known as his side in this debate means that we have been pulled into the nutty extremes. I have to ask myself whether this was a constructed stuation or whether it was promoted oportunistically. In either case, he is someone whom i would much rahter was removed from the scene and ridiculed for being the spoiler which he is.

Many years ago nobody read Nigerian trade union documents, no one would have considered studying the effects of polution on some obscure mexican peninsula, I was one of the few on the left loonies who was trying to investigate how the world worked then, These days all has changed, since 9/11 it is as though people have opened their eyes to the world around them, this makes me very happy :) Jones threatens this, he threatens to close our eyes again by shwing us nothing but BS as the reward for our efforts to see more deeply.

I completely agree that there was a conspiracy to go to war. I’ve actually been called a truther because I theorized that Bush et al used 9/11 as an excuse to invade Iraq, which some in the administration had been wanting to invade since the Gulf War (when Saddam was left in power). They didn’t need to cause 9/11 to take advantage of it. It’s just as disturbing, but it’s definitely good that the end result is that people are more skeptical of the government and more willing to investigate things for themselves.

The idea that a govt would not kill a few people for the greater good is insane.

Why ?

Because they have done it before over and over again . . .

From the USS Liberty incident to The Bologna Railway Station Bombing, and that is just the operations of the us military. Before you flame me, think of how many people we sacrificed during world war 2 just to keep the enigma code cracking at Bletchley Park secret.

Where do you people keep coming from? Seriously. Anyways, I don’t intend to flame, so don’t take it that way. I’m a skeptic, so I’m bound to be a little short when it comes to circumstantial evidence and assumptions.

You cannot prove a conspiracy theory by using other conspiracy theories. You need solid proof. Unfortunately (for you, that is), there is no non-circumstantial evidence that the USS Liberty incident or the Bologna station bombing, among other terrorist attacks, were caused by the respective governments. Even if you conclude that the Liberty was deliberately attacked by Israeli forces and not in error, then the blame falls squarely on Israel, not the United States. And in any case, it was certainly not for the greater good. If Israel did attack the Liberty, the main theory says it was to cover up a massacre of unarmed Egyptian soldiers. That’s hardly in the same category as 9/11, since the theory is that 9/11 was engineered to give the United States a reason to attack Afghanistan and Iraq, home to known terrorists and enemies of the country. Of course, that all assumes there’s proof the attack wasn’t accidental. There’s as much evidence pointing to a deliberate attack on the Liberty as there is pointing to the United States government flying missiles into the Pentagon and World Trade Center towers. That is to say, nothing concrete or indisputable.

I’m not quite sure what you’re insinuating with the Enigma comment, but I don’t think it makes sense in context. The impact the ULTRA intelligence (resulting from the cracking of the Enigma code) had on the war is still under debate. It could be that the war was significantly shortened (meaning it could have gone past 1945 had the code not been broken). At any rate, you would still need to prove that soldiers were sacrificed simply to keep the ULTRA intel secret.

Heh Cody, thanks for the support. You’ll never win in arguing with these nutcases. Jones in particular has no incentive to be honest about what happened on 9/11, as he makes his living peddling these notions. Jones is a shyster, and the people who believe his propaganda are idiots — how can you argue with idiots?

Alex Jones is the most amazing guy on planet earth…all he does is tell the truth about the governmetn and what they are trying to do to us…in the end you will all find out…The Lord our God is going to come to rule over the earth….and those that dont believe will burn for the rest of their lifes in hell…yah i know you secret workers are watching what i type right now….but i am letting you know…we are not your slaves. we will win in the end…leave us alone. what did we do to you? In the end you will all be judged and get thrown in the lake of fire! And I will be up in Heaven watching you, and telling you..”i tried to tell you” Too bad for you…sorry. It makes me wanna cry just thinking of all the people that are going to hell..well Good Luck trying to take over the world Bush…lol Good Bye

Morton: I learned that the hard way. I guess I still hold out hope that someone will realize they’re an idiot… I’m such an optimist.

Sarah: I’m a bit confused at how you go from Jones to God to hell all in one paragraph. Are you saying that if I don’t believe Jones’ claims, I must be an atheist? Maybe I’ll take Morton’s advice and leave you well enough alone.

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Cody, you asked where all of us were coming from, well, i can’t speak for others but i personally am from my mom.. in the UK. (I suspect that some here may be lizards in human form, from another planet who secretly rule the world(joke))
Basically I went looking to research Jones on Google, I smelled a rat and wondered why it should be that Alex Jones should have such a large influence at such a poigniant time. The more i found out the more it began to dawn on me that Jones was not only a fake, but perhaps something worse than that. This has made me concerned enough to post to forums like your own in the hope of getting some feedback, which brings more light onto the subject.

Fact is Cody that this article appears to have improved your google ranking :)

for those who still think that Alex Jones is the greatest man on earth and have no doubts thi after reading the above, may i suggest a site where you will find some very helpful information.
http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/

Great little article man, those Conspiracy Theorists are nuts, that’s all there is to it man. I go through this same stuff day in and day out on my Youtube channel (I do videos mostly debunking or just plain discussing Conspiracy Theories). You learn to get used to it, and I do try my best to reply to these people and explain that they are wrong and blindly following their leaders. Which is ironic, because that’s exactly what they say of us lol.

Have a great day!
-CJ

Hi, I just spent my morning listening to Alex Jones on Coast To Coast with George Noory. I seriously don’t think I’ve laughed that hard in a long time, the guy cracks me up. And I thank you Cody for providing a web site where those of us who do think Alex is nutters can visit.

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Most points of your arguments fail.

Although Jones just does what he does because he’s a Christian fanatic. I belive some things he says and yes i do belive 911 was an inside job. I don’t like why jones does it because he completly contradicts himself.

Telling people to not conform with global capitalists is ok, but if you confrom yourself to the biggest scam in the history of human kind (Religion) then you realise that he fails horribally..

Mike, why do my arguments fail? You say that outright, but you don’t bother to refute my claims at all.

I would be very interested in you emailing me something that rips apart Alex Jone’s message. Now, I’ve seen a lot of the conspiracy videos, and I’ve done A LOT of research myself… A LOT I tell you, about a lot of things. I’m very skeptical when it comes to something like this, but I must say that the evidence that I myself have gathered does point towards what Alex Jones says. Like I said, I’m still skeptical, I’m skeptical of all sides of this story, so I would be very glad if you could email me something that can disprove this. I don’t want to believe it, but it seems to be true. Anyway, in regards to you asking why the government would do something like this, it all leads up to the New World Order which I’m sure you’ve heard of. (Still skeptical of course) The government does something like this so they can have an excuse to have a standing army, which is prohibited in times of peace. They also would do it to have an excuse to spy on everyone with cameras and such, and pass new anti-terrorism laws which will just take away our rights, such as the right to bear arms, the right to assemble, the right to free speech, and so on… Anyways, PLEASE email me back your research you have done, because I want to get the full story, not just one side of it. Thank you.

Well, Chris, I don’t have much available, but I do frequently refer to a couple of websites that I think provide rather unbiased material. They don’t claim to prove or disprove anything, though the evidence they have makes it seem to me that the claims of 9/11 conspiracy theorists aren’t foolproof.

Debunking 911 (Okay, this one does have a bit of bias, but I still think the evidence speaks for itself.)

911Myths (I think this is the best one to take a look at, but it’s always good to double-check with other sites.)

I just want to make a few points…

#1 The whole Larry Silverstein thing is bunk. I’ve seen the video of the entire conversation, not just the short clip where he says, “pull it”. If you listen to the whole clip, you’ll realize that the “pull it” quote is taken way out of context. He is actually talking to the fire chief about pulling the firefighters out of the building. I can’t remember where the clip was, I wish I could. This quote is used over and over by the conspiracy theorists, and it is entirely taken out of context. It’s a shame they keep using things like this to prove their theories. When you find out the truth on one point, that turns out to be false, it makes you not want to believe the rest of their points.

#2 There are a lot of things in Loose Change and other 911 Truther sites that are bunk. They are easily disproven, or they are taken out of context. Again, it’s hard to believe anything they say when they continue to push concepts that are blatantly false, after some investigation.

Here are the questions I have. These are legitimate concerns/conincidences that lead one to think that maybe somebody knew what was going to happen… before it happened….

#1 Bin Laden used to be a CIA operative.

#2 Bush’s cousin was director of security for the WTC.

#3 United and American airlines had a EXTRORDINARY amount of put options compared with call options the week leading up to the attack, almost as if someone knew what was coming and wanted to profit from it.

#4 The government knew middle eastern men were learning to fly planes here in the U.S. without concern for learning how to land them, and they did nothing about it.

#5 The FBI tried repeatedly to get names of suspected terrorists so they could hunt for them, but they were denied the information.

#6 The Pentagon has more cameras than a camera store, but we’ve never seen a picture of the plane that hit the Pentagon. Just 5 frames of nothing but an explosion. All the other tapes have been confiscated. Why? It just doesn’t look like a plane with a 120 foot wingspan hit that building to me. Where did the wings go? Were they retracted just prior to hitting the building? Where is the tail? The damage to the Pentagon just isnt’ wide enough for a large airliner to have hit it.

#7 Where is United 93? I didn’t see any significant wreckage at the site in PA where it supposedly hit. Just a hole. Not even a particularly large hole. Where are all the plane parts? I’ve looked all over and I can’t find any pics of any significant wreckage at this site.

#8 The incident that put us into war with Vietnam, the “Gulf of Tonkin” incident, turned out to be a lie, but no one found out the government lied to us until 20 years after the fact.

I’m not saying that the government blew up the buildings themselves… I’m just saying we don’t know the whole truth.

Thanks for the comment Bill. I think a lot of those last few concerns are evidence of government incompetence more than anything else. I’ve heard before that the CIA and FBI weren’t in the business of sharing their information prior to 9/11, so it’d make sense that each would have information they thought the other group didn’t need to see. The others are probably big coincidences.

For instance, Bin Laden was indeed a CIA operative, but that was during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Any enemy of communism was our friend at that point. After the Soviets were repelled, we left Bin Laden and his mujahadeen to their own devices and later went on to post troops in Saudi Arabia, Bin Laden’s home country and a holy land in Islam. Bin Laden holds and especially fundamentalist view of Islam, so it stands to reason that seeing infidels in the holy land annoyed him greatly and fueled his desire to use the training the CIA gave him to get back at us. I’d say this one is just a coincidence.

I won’t go over all of the concerns because I don’t know enough about some of them (especially United 93, but if it didn’t crash, how would one explain the cell phone calls coming from it right up until the alleged impact?). I do agree, however, that we don’t have the full truth. That’s to be expected because every government has its secrets. There’s probably a lot that the government doesn’t want us to know. My guess is that they don’t want to air the mistakes they made in handling the information they had regarding 9/11. No one wants to look stupid.

Yeah… I think incompetence has something to do with it. It is our federal government we’re talking about after all.

The only thing is the put options seem to suggest prior knowledge of something about to happen.

And as far as the crash site(s) go, I just don’t see how an airliner made those holes in the Pentagon… or at Shanksville. It just doesn’t look like an airliner crash, and I’ve looked everywhere for pics, and I can’t find enough wreckage to justify it. And if there are questions in people’s minds, why can’t the Pentagon release the video or pics that show the actual plane? Where are the holes for the engines? The wings? Just one big hole, supposedly only 16′ in diameter.

The coroner was on the news the day of the accident in Shanksville, and he said on the news that he didn’t even find one body part, he assumed because of the speed of the airliner when it crashed. But now… they have supposedly identified all the bodies. It’s just weird, that’s all.

Not saying “they” did it… just that something is not right in Denmark… or Shanksville.

Cody,

It’s okay to be disagree with Alex but I’d challenge you to actually research some of the topics he talks about. Many odd years ago I was just as skeptical, as you obviously are, to many of the related topics Jones discusses on his radio program. Being the consummate researcher type, I’ve done the job of looking into some of his statements and claims. Jones tends to be a little dramatic on his show but his facts normally check out.

If you want to do some REAL research into 9/11 do yourself a favor and read David Ray Griffin’s book, “A New Pearl Harbor”. It’s intelligently laid out and seems to be the most unbiased work to date.

Hey Cody…
you know that liquid that is falling on your head and getting you wet?
I dont think its rain, look up cause you smell of urine.

Seriously though I cant find anyone that I completely agree with on radio or TV however I know my country is at the moment FUCKED!!!!!!

How many innocent have been killed by our troops, policies and lies.

Wake up and smell the fascism!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Way to make your point Harry!! Oh, exactly what was your point?? It kind of got lost in the urine and f-word.

Cody, don’t give up hope. There are still millions in the silent majority that aren’t totally nuts.

Are you related to Perry Logan? I laugh when I see him around the internet, he’s everywhere, sounding just as crazy as Jones most of the time.

Also, I just wanted to say, that while Alex Jones did use Ad Hominem useless attacks, Morton acted no better in this regard. For just one example of Morton also using pointless attacks, see the talk page on Wikipedia for Alex Jones, where Morton says;

“A better term would be ‘Nutburger’ — how ’bout we use that? MortonDevonshire”

Last I checked, Nutburger is not a particularly useful phrase when making an argument.

I love to watch this whole drama across the web, it amuses me greatly that most of Jones distractors are just as ridiculous as Jones himself.

@Jim: I’m not related to Perry, thankfully. Also, I agree that Morton wasn’t exactly a saint. I didn’t look into the entire drama (imagine how many talk page archives that must go back) in order to preserve my sanity, but I’m certain there was plenty of name-calling on both sides.

alex jones is a nut case, like most of those who appear on coast to coast, but anyone who has listened to this show and has an ounce of sense, realizes that the main object of the guest is to sell books, and make a ton of money, and the naive out there in radio land who are tuned in, buy them of course.

hello cody jst came across this u talk about proof and well thats a very good point, most of the things alex talks about are actually on paper and u can google most of them and get that proof futher more on 9/11 can u explain 2me how those buildings collapsed?

Humphtey:

I can also Google and find proof contrary to what Jones says. It all depends on what one considers “proof”.

At any rate, my best guess as to how the towers collapsed based on the evidence available is this:

The impact of the airplanes into the towers severed some supports and weakened others inside the buildings. In addition, the burning jet fuel further weakened the already damaged supports (it’s important to note that I don’t think the jet fuel was the sole cause of those supports being weakened; it only exacerbated the stress caused by the impact of the plane). Eventually, those supports failed and the floors above the crash sites collapsed onto lower floors. This is known as a progressive collapse. The relatively undamaged floors beneath the crash site couldn’t take the weight of the floors falling from above and collapsed on to the floors below them. Those floors also couldn’t take the weight and collapsed. This continued all the way down, causing the towers to collapse completely. Contrary to popular belief (as shown by the information I linked to), progressive collapses aren’t extremely rare. Usually, they are the result of poor design, but I think the stress of a large airplane slamming into a building could weaken it enough to cause a similar collapse.

Thank you for posting this. I’m so damn sick and tired of the lack of skepticism and critical thinking. How easily people latch to this conspiracy crap.

Don’t you find it ironic that the 9/11 truthers are so quick to call people “sheep”?

watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nD7dbkkBIA

Conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones are COMEDY gold! I mean he really goes past the deep end when he starts ranting about eugenics, goblin people, a supreme race and over night world wide mass genocide. Truely this guy belongs in some studio in Hollywood and not in Texas.

What truly worries me is having people in office the likes of Ron Paul that align themselves with these nutcases!

Cody

Setting the two towers aside….. and Alex Jones for the moment…can anyone in here explain why the third building…. WTC 7… fell at free fall speed……with no plane involved…….a building that was conventionally constructed and designed……(in other words different than the towers)…..with one small fire contained in the building……fall into its own footprint in seconds……

Because the 911 Commission could not. Not even a opinion…..nor a subjective thought or a passing comment……why?

Alan, based on the evidence I’ve come across (see here and here), it seems that WTC 7 fell because of a rather large hole in the side of the building, caused by debris falling from the two larger towers. The structural integrity was compromised and the fires only served to worsen the situation.

As for why the 9/11 Commission didn’t address WTC 7, that’s simple: it wasn’t the target of the terrorist attacks. The Commission focused mainly on WTC 1, WTC 2, and the Pentagon. Investigating collateral damage wasn’t on their agenda. Don’t mistake lack of an explanation for inability to explain.

Hello son. I’m a Air Force Captain proudly serving at Edwards AFB. I wish I could believe that Mr. Jones is incorrect in his accusations against our fine government. I must tell you that as the attack on 9/11 was taking place i was taking part in an exercise of that very same attack happening. When i asked my Col. if we should intercept the hijacked aircraft he repeatedly said “under no circumstances will you give the order to take those planes down.” We could have easily stopped the aircraft from hitting those targets. We do it all the time over seas. The other issue is the piloting of the hijacked aircraft was being done remotely via the Boeing E4B which serves as the National Airborne Operations Center for the National Command Authorities. In some of the 9/11 footage you can actually see this “mysterious white plane” flying overhead. I pray to God everyday that Mr. Jones is wrong but unfortunately he says the things that men such as I are restricted from saying due to security clearance issues. God bless you son and please give Mr. Jones a chance. Odds are we may not have him for much longer.

Cody

Your response to my question posted on November 9th…..still does not add up. I looked at your posted links……but none of what happened on 911 follows any kind of rational protocol… given that the whole area should have been treated as a crime scene.

And that’s my point….the 911 Commission report should have said that WTC 7 …..in their opinion….was not a target…..but they did not. Even when they were asked. They simply did address it at all.

Even a cursory examination of the 9/11 Commision Report shows a willful and arrogant indifference to the truth. The Commission chairman stated publicly that he didn’t think tracking the money that funded the attacks was “all that important”. All of the debris at Ground Zero was confiscated by Federal agents, major public figures were told not to go into the downtown area that day, firefighters, police officers and citizens heard several explosions going off before and after the towers were hit, flimsy identification papers linking al-Queda (a CIA-funded group), were found intact at Ground Zero while reinforced steel girders melted. To this day the Pentagon has released only two inconclusive videos that don’t even come close to showing a commercial jet hitting the building. Many expert’s in aeronautical engineering has agreed that debris at the Pentagon did not come from a plane of that size, no bodies or human remains of any kind were found there or on a field in Shanksville, Pennsylvania. Throughout the entire time these attacks were under way not one single military aircraft responded. Not one single military counter-action was taken anywhere in the United States.

Silverstein, newly-aquired owner of the World Trade Center complex admitted on television that a decision was made to “pull it down” referring to Building 7. The 911 Commission Report unbelievable stated they “don’t know how” Building 7 collasped. Building 7 contained, amongst other things, sensitive information on major financial and political figures. Information that was about to be released in an upcoming Congressional investigation.

Even the most diehard, head in the sand, true blue, red-blooded all-American patriot would be scratching his head at the inconsistencies, contradictions contained in the 9/11 Commission Report as well as the subsequent responses and actions of media and government officials.

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As newly registered user i only wanted to say hi to everyone else who uses this bbs :D

Cody,

I’m the type of person who always likes to get the perspective of everyone. I listen to what is considered to be inside the box (the news), and I also listen to what is outside the box (Coast to Coast).

I do this because in many ways, I believe that each side always provides details that make events interesting.

What I’m trying to say is this: what you’re stating (that the conspiracy theorists are wrong) is just as much a theory as what conspiracy theorists say is right.

Take it in the sense of the scientific method. You have gathered information, and have developed a theory that anyone that thinks that 9/11 was done by the Government is wrong.

Conspiracy theorists, however, have done the exact same thing. They have gathered information, and formed a theory that states that our Government was behind 9/11,and anyone that says differently is wrong.

Both you and anyone that is a conspiracy theorist lie on the same balance of question.

It’s like in science. In my Astronomy class, my professor stated that everything in this world is a theory. One such example is gravity.

We think gravity is there because we can feel it and study it. However, no one has actually physically seen gravity.

The same type of philosophy is apply to what you and the rest of these conspiracy theorists are saying.

Your theory can’t prove the other side wrong, just as much as their theory can’t prove you wrong. The only way this can happen is if one of you finally finds full-proof evidence dis proving the other.

And until someone here gets into the government and is somehow able to find these answers, than that proof may never see the light of day.

When many people seems to be forgetting, however, is that conspiracy goes hand in hand with our Government just like apple pie goes with Americana.

In Government, money and power is everywhere, and as long as humans have the ability to be influenced, that need for money and power is going to lead to some very bad things.

Take this story for instance:
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/wire.php?view=1150

That right there is a conspiracy. People taking money so that other people can make money at the expense of other people’s lives.

Another thing about this is the advent of the secret societies that we have come to know.

The Free Masons, the Illuminati, The Bohemian Grove, Skulls and Bones, all of these groups have been documented in history.

Many of our Presidents have been Free Masons, many of our Presidents were members of the Bohemian Grove, some were member of Skulls and Bones (there is a Skulls and Bones picture that shows George W. Bush in the photograph).

All of these societies have been documented, and every one has had some sort of influence in our Government.

For instance, many of the founding members of the CIA were members of the Skulls and Bones group.

Another interesting thing is that the Illuminati, the group that many believe was behind these events, were not initially considered to be a bad organization.

If you look in the dictionary, the term Illuminati literally means enlightened ones, or ones that have huge amounts of knowledge toward understanding.

I believe this belief that they were evil came from the church, because if you know religious doctrine, Lucifer was known as the enlightened one, so I think that’s what created this view that they’re this evil organization.

Also, this so called New World Order that conspiracy theorists keep talking about has actually been stated before.

I remember a speech that Bush senior gave where he talked about the world becoming part of a New World Order.

Now, does this New World Order mean something bad? We don’t know, but what we do know is that it has been talked about, and for the time being, all we have on it are a bunch of theories (I have to say though, I find it a little weird that he stated this New World Order in 1991, just ten years before 9/11 occurred.)

What I’m trying to say is that when it comes to Government, there are so many things that we do not understand, and there are so many things that we may never understand.

Now, I’m going to be honest, I myself am a Libertarian. I was a huge supporter of Ron Paul.

I am, however, an agnostic, and find all of this psycho religious stuff nothing but laughable ideas (yes, a man lived to be 900 and was able to get every animal on a boat, and was able to get everyone of them to get along with one another). I also find it amusing that most of the conspiracy theorists who believe in this stuff are most of the time overly religious.

What I do believe, however, is having an open mind to ideas, and I think that’s whats most important.

One more thing I want you to remember Cody is something called the thermodynamic miracle.

What this is is basically a theory that states that there is an incredibly small chance (I’m talking 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%) of something so impossible, so absurd happening, that people think it’s crazy to think that it would happen.

One such example is a rock going straight up instead of forward when you throw it.

I’m bringing this up because not matter how many times someone says there isn’t any conspiracy, they always have to remember that one percent.

They have to remember that chance of something amazing and impossible still exists in every aspect of our world.

Some interesting points that I would like to bring up by the way.

It is documented that Osama Bin Laden did work for the CIA for a great deal of time.

I have also done research, and found that the U.S Government did have connections to Saddam Hussein during the time that Reagan was in office.

Now, I myself have done research into the 9/11 attacks, and I will be honest when I say that there are things that to this day still leave me scratching my head in questions, and until someone is finally able to give all the answers, we may not know what the answers to those questions are.

I do have to say that Alan does give some interesting questions.

“What truly worries me is having people in office the likes of Ron Paul that align themselves with these nutcases!”

I’m sorry Hector, but what’s wrong with Ron Paul?

Ron Paul is a great individual who wants to bring this country back to it’s sovereignty by bringing back the philosophy of the Jeffersonian ideal, and the ideals of Washington back into the lives of the American people.

He wants to pull us our of Iraq (and every other country in the world) and make sure that we stop getting involved in the business of other countries.

Plus, there are a lot of people out there who don’t believe in these conspiracy’s that support Paul because of his common sense toward this country.

Please do some research before you insult someone thank you.

Thank you for writing this. I am unfortunately a child of an empty nester who has sold his soul to Alex Jones and pushes DVD’s on me every time I visit. It’s his new religion. Like you said, there is no reasoning with him. And he cant agree to disagree, it is his life! Alex Jones has torn up my family. I’m trying to do research to include in my ultimatum letter to my dad. If you know of any other links that expose Alex Jones please help.

What is bumburbia?

Cody & Adam:

I’m a regular guy. A small business owner who mostly lurks around reading various new sites and opinions via this crazy AL Gore invention. I seldom post to anything I read, but I found this site by googling the words “Alex Jones wrong”. I wanted to get others points of view on a guy I’ve been listening to off and on for several years (daily since the beginning of October ’08). I used to check in from time to time to the opinions of what I have come to think of as sort of a worse case scenario guideline for what my may lie ahead. I do not think of myself as someone who would ever call in and claim to have “woken up” like I have noticed a lot of the callers on his show do. In fact, I have always thought of Alex Jones as a bit of a nutcase. But, I have a soft spot in my heart for him. Maybe it is because I’m around the same age as him or because I grew up in rural Oklahoma – so I have an idea of where he is coming from. Granted his logic is sometimes flawed (when there wasn’t enough security at the borders he claimed we were letting these illegals in and now that they are beefed up the New World Order is keeping us in), but I like his passion. And, in light of the recent bail out, economic meltdown, etc. Alex Jones is like listening to a preacher against “the man”. He has even been referred to as the tip of the spear for the fighters of the New World Order. Is he a nutcase? Maybe. What is the definition of nutcase? Dictionary.com defines nutcase as someone deranged and possibly dangerous. Is this Alex Jones? Well, that seems pretty subjective. Does anyone have proof? Certainly there is a possibility? But how probable is it that Alex Jones is a nutcase? Before Alex Jones there was a guy named William Cooper that was the so-called tip of the spear. If you never heard of him, he has quite an interesting story. Another guy with an interesting story linked to Cooper is Wayne Bentson another interesting story. So, I guess the point to what I want to say is there is a difference between possible and probable. There is a also a difference between rational and empirical. The Rationalist starts with a self-evident fact (a starting premise) and then deduces other facts from that. Since Descartes was certain that he existed, he tried to logically deduce other facts from that starting-point. The Empiricist works in the opposite direction: observations of some event are collected and studied, and the underlying fact is induced from them. Isaac Newton watched an apple fall from a tree, and watched the moon circle the earth, and he inductively arrived at the law of gravity from these starting-points. He didn’t start with the idea of gravity: he ended up there from observation. All of this deals in probability. Is it possible that I’m just part of the matrix or an alien computer writing crazy messages on a time space machine in mind – if I agree that anything is possible it never ends. Is Alex Jones a nutcase? Yeah, probably ;-)

Alex Jones (AJ) is not insane. He is a misleading capitalist. One glance at his advertisement riddled website should be proof enough for my assertion. His message is disturbing though.

Unfortunately, I have a couple of a friends that have recently taken up his cause. They portray themselves as skeptics, but as the old saying goes they, “have embraced certainty.” I don’t believe that the majority of his followers are crazy. However, I do feel that these people are simply looking for something to belong. In this case, it is a social club with a founding motto of, “The misinformation, no science, agenda pushing assholes!”

Most people become excited when they inform others of extreme events/experiences. Most of the time, those events/experiences may be something like, “Hey man, I went skydiving this weekend, and it was awesome! Let me tell you all about it!” I am not discrediting adrenaline junkies. For the most part, people want to be looked up to, and for those few people that feel they can no longer impress their peers with self accomplishments, they reluctantly resort to paranoia. Enter Alex Jones.

Alex Jones knows exactly what I am talking about. He has acted upon a financial opportunity to fill the void in the lives of these “event-less” people. AJ gives them something powerful to talk about, and through their discussions, they feel powerful and in charge. It is no secret that the majority of Americans are politically ignorant. So when AJ’s minions assert his wacko conspiracy theories backed by poorly researched data, the debate seems be credible.

I understand that listening to these morons can be VERY upsetting, but you have to remind yourself that the world is full of stupid people. As long as people like AJ pander to them, the “stupids” will always comprise the majority.

So for all of you in the majority, visit his website and support his capitalist pursuit. Purchase all of his endorsed products/survival gear and prepare for the day when the werewolves, global elites and whatever the hell else is supposed to take over…dummies!

^Dave,

I’m not saying that Alex Jones is completely wrong. For all we know, he may actually be right on a lot of things that he brings up.

What we have to remember is that there are two sides to every coin, and that no matter what we think, there are always going to be factors that can prove us wrong.

Am I saying that conspiracy theorists are right? No, but I’m also not saying that they’re wrong either.

What I’m saying is that we as American need to keep an open mind about things.

We need to remember to that we can never jump to conclusions to quickly, because there may be a truth that we cannot see.

Am I saying Alex Jones is right with everything he says? No, in fact, there are a lot of things that he has said that I could prove wrong.

However, I still keep an open mind about things, and still listen to what people like him have to say.

I think what people like Cody need to do is remember that no matter how much they think something is wrong, they should always say in the back of there heads that what they hear may have some truth to it.

Finally, I was beginning to believe the skeptics and critical thinkers were all out to lunch on this stuff. Alex Jones is, in my opinion, incredibly paranoid, delusional, gullible, uneducated and utterly insane.

I wonder if he really believes every word that comes out of his mouth? My hypothesis; Jones uses the generally credulous audience that loves conspiracy theories and other such non-sense, to unload those terrible movies he makes. This doesn’t necessarily mean he is just a showman or secretly doesn’t believe his own rhetoric. It just seems he’s got a lot of stuff to sell (his films, quack medicine, survivalist food stuffs etc.)

Really, the Alex Jones stuff is low hanging fruit when it comes to debunking.

It is sort of funny how conspiracy “nutcases” are always bunched up with the NWO stuff and vice versa.
The trends we see currently regarding the redistribution of wealth and power are not surprising at all. I highly recommend reading Noam Chomsky’s books in that regard. What it comes down to is removing the workers rights and unions that were created in hard struggles. Chomsky calls this a “Rollback” (essentially to feudal times).
The group of the most powerful families/individuals on the planet clearly will act in self-interest. Going by Occams Razor this should be obvious, since humans tend to act egoistic. Here I am obviously implying that these people firstly, are not acting altruistic, and secondly will not retire from pursuing their interests. All this should be rather obvious.
Now, the interesting thing with all this is that with all the transnational companies and their economical power, governments have less and less leverage to stand up to corporate interests. (It’s the good ol’ “give us tax cuts or we will relocate to [insert cheap labor country here]“-Game)
This is an incredibly effective method to weaken (and eventually destroy) worker unions and worker rights in the so called first-world countries. People are accepting the gradual process of giving up more and more of their rights/benefits/medical insurance/retirement in order to not lose their job.
Notice how the government is effectively powerless and has to give in to this pressure that the transnational companies (TNC) apply.
(It’s a fallacy to expect a government being able to create jobs)
Most of the trading that is done each day doesn’t constitute actual trade but rather internal trading operations of TNCs. This is actually an oligopoly on a global level.

One thing that I came across here is the fear of loss and social decline being used as a method to have people/workers accept a lower wage and less benefits. (A little bit more each time)

This is where the 9-11 event comes into play. In the course of just a couple years a massive number of governments of the western hemisphere were making new “Security”/Anti-Terror Laws that are cutting into the rights of millions of people. In addition you are welcome to buy the current edition of the Amnesty International Annual Report on Human Rights and read up on how many countrys were passing new laws and also have gotten out of international human rights treaties/agreement.

Many if not all of those legislations would not have been accepted by the populations of the countries before 9-11. After 9-11 people were naturally shocked and outraged and biggest of all: They were deeply afraid. That’s why they were accepting the quickly passed laws that cut into their rights. Most of the laws of course are aimed at personal privacy rights and weakening them.

I realize that this article focuses on AJ being described as a nutcase. While I agree that he seems to go overboard at times with some of his ideas, his main points about NWO are not that far off. The problem is that most people mistakenly believe that the NWO consists of people from the government who in their view also “executed” 9-11 which of course doesn’t make sense.
What does make sense however is that there are interests at work here that stand to gain influence over this.
Which is the Surveillance Industry (huge already) as well as Weapons Production and Trade. In addition a nice frame was constructed to strip workers/humans of even more rights.

Chomskys Books on the topic are definately worth a read. (Especially when you read one from about 10+ years ago and are able to see what really happened in the past decade)

Cheers…

Well, I have only recently been introduced to Alex Jones, the man [not personally]. I have visited his web sites before when taken there via a Google search, but did not know the name of the web site owner until I got involved in a debate with a friend who supports Alex Jones and his radical ideas.

Before I go on, let me say that even before I knew Alex Jones owned the websites, I discredited almost everything that I found on his web sites fairly easy. You ask me about ANY subject Alex Jones (or others like him, or his supporters) state as truth, and I will be able to easily prove, without a shadow of a doubt, that his theories don’t even substantiate the title of theaory, rather, false hypothesis. Much of the stuff can be proven wrong by using the VERY SAME evidence he uses. [Example: He claims that the government is creating internment camps for civilians, and shows pictures of razor wire & chain link fences. What he fails to mention is that the fencing he is showing the picture of if OLD, RUSTED, and DILAPITATED wire that was, in fact, used for the internment camps to house the Japanese-Americans during WW-II.]

There are too many of his theories to mention. As for the 7 WTC collapse, I have been a firefighter for 23 years, and, what most people fail to mention is that, the word “pull” is ALSO a firefighting term meaning to pull all personnel from a building due to immenent danger of some kind. Considering that Silverstein was talking to the fire chief, it stands to reason that the term “pull” was in reference to pulling the firefighters. ALSO, if you watch the COMPLETE video of the collapse of 7 WTC instead of the edited version that Alex Jones provides, you will see that all firefighters were “pulled” from the building immediately following the conversation in which the term “pull” was used, and 7 WTC fell on its own, without the help of explosives.

HOWEVER, for arguement’s sake, let’s say that 7 WTC was deliberately demolished. WHO CARES?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Look at what had already happened earlier that day. Would YOU want to enter 7 WTC after that? I know I wouldn’t. So… If it hadn’t fallen on it’s own, I’d certainly HOPE they would demolish it for public safety’s sake. However, ALL of the evidence, including video evidence that CANNOT be refuted, shows that 7 WTC collapsed all on its own, without the assistance of any explosives.

in my opinion the most sensible and realistic post on here is by CONUNDRUM….why?… because he is judging this situation by its most serious and what should be (to even the most stupid and naive “critic” of aj) implications to the american public…and that is the way your being manipulated,by engineered world events,to happily accept a life of more stringent regulations nd much less freeedom….some of what aj says is rather sensationalistic but his take on NWO is,in my opinion,backed in all likelyhood, fact.

I’m not here to attack things, simply to ask questions.

I do want to note one thing ov this article. Occam’s Razor is not some infallible truth. Just because an explanation is simpler does not make it true. Occam’s Razor states that the explanation making the fewest assumptions is likely correct.

This is directed to Walt…
You state that the term “pull” is also a firefighting term. Unless Silverstein was documented stating firefighting OR demolition it cannot be sure what he meant. Either one is a fair assumption. And ov course if he had decided to pull, as in demolish, the building the firefighters would most likely leave the building as not to be crushed. That’s only logic… The point is, you have made just a big an assumption as the so called

Anyways, to get to the main point I am here to make.

I want to say… why not? I personally find it absurd to think that we live in some perfect world, or a perfect time, where our government could do no wrong.

Looking back at history, corruption in government is a common theme. My question to you is, what makes it any different in today’s time?

People seem to be brainwashed into thinking that we are perfect. People have an unfounded patriotism for a country that has done little to nothing for them and will stand up for it for anything. I realize that you are going to note my use ov the word “brainwashed,” but I feel there is no better word.

Why are we the “greatest country” on the earth? When was that decided? I would like to state that I am not from another country and my parents did not teach me to think like this. I got into many arguments with my father when he would hear how I think.

Continuing… This is a country which dropped bombs on civilians. Whether or not it is justified is not the point. Just as George Carlin pointed out about rights… If you really believe you have rights look up the Japanese Americans in WWII… That shows what the government thinks ov your rights. Innocent until proven guilty? This is a country that has tested drugs and such on citizens. Don’t believe me? Look up Project Paperclip, Project Artichoke, MKULTRA, MKNAOMI, and many more ov this type. There are so many I do not want to list. The projects are all related to each other. Another example… the Tuskegee Institute, … in fact just go to this page for a short review ov some ov the things this perfect country has OFFICIALLY done. My point in showing this is to get people to realize that we are not some perfect GOD ov a country, and innocent in the world. We have done just as much wrong as every body else.

http://www.geocities.com/athens/oracle/4809/gov.html

In a country that has unclassified things like this, is it really such a jump in logic to think they would knock a couple buildings down? This is a country that has killed MILLIONS worldwide, including citizens (Atomic Bombs anybody?) yet it is absurd to think it would kill 3000 ov its own? What is the difference than 3000 in this country and 3000 in another country? What do the 3000 honestly mean to the people who would have planned the attack?

The article mentions taxes… they don’t care about money. They can just print more up. Do you not believe the Federal Reserve is the cause ov our financial problems? Now the mainstream media is starting to jump on that idea.

I’ve heard Glenn Beck talking about the Federal Reserve, saying the exact thing that the “nut job” conspiracy theorists. It seems like every day I hear people in the mainstream news saying things like, “these guys would have been nut jobs a few years ago, but now they have a case.”

I know my comment is a little jumbled. I’m done typing… I hope people at least think about this. It is absurd that we are in some perfect time/country where this sort ov thing cannot happen. It’s happened many times in history.

[...] that being said, Alex Jones IS a lunatic who believes that 9-11 was an inside job. It wouldn’t make sense for Obama to mess with [...]

I disagree profoundly. I come from the opposite end of the political spectrum from Alex Jones. He’s excitable, perhaps a bit mad, and indulges in unfortunate terminology like “illuminati.” But his contributions to public discourse are significant and in some cases profound. He’s fearless in bringing to bear a critical perspective on current events which are very much needed. Its unfortunate that you are so unwilling to suspend your own obvious a priori beliefs long enough to notice what a red herring your own addiction to terms like “conspiracy theory” is.

Regarding the critical question of the destruction of WTC 7, anyone who reviews the actual tape of Silverstein’s remark will see how implausible is the explanation that he meant to “pull out” firemen. He says “they made the decision to pull it.” “It” is a neuter pronoun referring to a building, not a cadre of firefighters.

A growing body of structural engineers testifies that the physics involved in the destruction of all three buildings is impossible without the additional contribution of significant amounts of excess energy supplied in the form of some kind of explosives; eyewitness heard many large and small explosions in all three buildings, and chemical analysis conducted by several independent chemists reveals significant traces of highly sophisticated nano-thermite in the WTC dust debris. Yet some people continue to accuse anyone who raises these facts as of being a “conspiracy theorist.”

This is called an ad hominem, and it is not responsive to the points at issue.

Best Wishes,

Ben

If Alex Jones is so against the government why is he not an anarchist? I find him to be very hypocritical.

Just a note: Silverstein’s “it” could have also referred to the mission to put out the fires in WTC 7.

And my post is only partially ad hominem. It doesn’t entirely rely on portraying Alex Jones as a loony.

To the person who said “So what if building 7 was pulled.” That in a nut shell proves that it was a conspiracy. They did not have the time to properly set up a building to pull it unless they had done this prior.

I’ll agree that Alex Jones tends to go a little too far in his conspiracies, but he has nailed the head on a lot of things which makes listening to the man and reading his site worth the time. It’s like anything you study. You want to keep an open mind and do research instead of blindly accepting things.

Now 9-11…I’ve done a lot of research on this and there are too many things that point to a conspiracy. To say that our goverment could never blow up its own civilians is absurd when you consider the number of people we sent off to war in our history. Haven’t you studied Vietnam? Over 47,000 people died of combat wounds. My dad fought in Nam. He said they were bombing the northern border and had all their roads and bridges destroyed. He said they retreated and when he went back to the area months later, they had rebuilt the roads and bridges as if nothing had ever happened. They purposely strung that war out to feed the Military Industrial Complex, or giant corporations.
Now look at what has happened as a result of 9-11. You end up with another Vietnam in Iraq and Afghanistan, only not only does this war feed Wall Street, it also keeps our hegemony on the oil fields, the life blood of our economy.
Back to 9-11. The biggest things that stand out in my mind is the precise falling of the buildings. They went straight down like a controlled demolition. Had these buidlings fallen due to the planes hitting them, then they would have fallen in a jagged, disordered way, not perfectly straight down.
This theory of controlled demolition is also supported by firefighters testimony that they heard explosions BELOW them. That is key. What is even more weird is that the firemen who made these statements did not make it to the 9-11 commission report.
The Pentagon. Look at footage of this and you will not see large plane debris. Go look at other plane wreck footage and look at all the debris. You don’t have this with the Pentagon. And, though there were security cameras that recorded this suppossed plane crash, the FBI conviscated them and the only thing released is footage showing an explosion. That’s it, you get cut up footage that shows an explosion. The fact of the matter is that the cameras caught this footage, yet it was not released. Had a plane truely hit the Pentagon, you would be able to slow the footage down and show a plane.
I have only touched on a handful of facts. The reality is that there are way too many of these facts that can only lead one to the conclusion that 9-11 was an inside job.

” Mason says:
June 19, 2010 at 3:32 pm
If Alex Jones is so against the government why is he not an anarchist? I find him to be very hypocritical. ”

Alex is not against the “government” He is a defender of the Constitution and a true patriot. The Federal government oversteps its powers laid out in the constitution constantly and one of the main thing he discusses on his show is all of the illegal stuff the Feds do out in the open such as infringe on basically every single Part of the Bill of Rights through the Patriot act and other Anti-Terror legislation.

The war isn’t on terrorists, its on the American People.

Good job – keep up the good fight for science reason and rationality.

It’s interesting to watch the truthers now going after Julian Assange. You’d think the leaked cables would be caviar to conspiracist types looking for validation of behind-the-scenes machinations. But no, quite the contrary, they’re practically choking on Wikileaks. The Rense crowd, for instance, either dismisses the diplomatic leaks as “no substance’ or comes right out with outlandish claims of an Israeli fabrication or worse. Fact is, it was a predictable response. Conspiracy nuts, just like real conspirators, thrive in secrecy where hidden hands and world-wide cabals lurk in the nebulous and nefarious matrix of supreme power, leaving the rest of us no option but systemic doubt, paranoia and comic book theorizing.

I used to think like you… but then I woke up
Who’s really brainwashed? The one who never questions what the government tells him, or the one who gets up and does his own research?
Can CNN really be a better source than 1300 Engineer Doctorates?

Just as a goldfish will expand to fill it’s bowl,
a troofer(Alex Jones) idiocy
will expand to fill any gap in knowledge!

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Thank you for writing this. These conspiracy nuts are damn scary. It’s even worse now with the internet – we’re going to have a generation of kids soon that think 9/11 was in an inside job or that the Apollo Project was faked.

Something you might want to read up on is the Zeitgeist Movement, which even Alex Jones will admit is absolutely bat-shit crazy. It’s essentially a rehash of late 19th century Marxism under a new name, and people are falling for it.

It’s my generation, too – I was born in 1992, the year after the Soviet Union finally collapsed and Gorbachev resigned. We didn’t grow up with the stories of the Soviet regime, and so many of my peers see communism not as an evil but as a solution. Most of them also don’t recognize Zeitgeist for what it really is, either, and the organizers of that movement aren’t helping: they defy all attempts at labeling and claim that their movement is not a political one. Bullshit.

It’s quite worrying, to be honest.

Oh, and I love all these conspiracy types who make generalizations about how buildings collapse in Youtube videos and claim that as proof of their conspiracy. Unless you’re a civil/structural engineer or have extensive first hand knowledge about skyscraper construction, you have no right to say anything here. There’s an excellent report out by an explosive demolitions firm who did all the math and examined the wreckage for any kind of tampering. They conclusively found nothing. Of course, if you’re a conspiracy nut, that must just be part of the evil government conspiracy, right?

I’m an engineering student myself, but I’m electrical so I make no attempt to paint myself as an expert on buildings. However, I am currently taking an engineering statics course as a degree requirement. You would be quite surprised how wrong a lot of assumptions people make about load bearing structures are – unless you understand a little of the math and physics behind it, you really don’t understand much of what’s going on.

Yet another moron who doesn’t understand the difference between proof and evidence, and who thinks conspiracies never happen, lol. Moron.

You’re discussing about whether bbc knew about the building falling. How about the fact 3 buildings fell (at free fall speed of course, killing “pancake floors” theory) and only TWO planes crashed into the building. Over all authors points are very week.

 TL;DR Formatting is awful, and indicative of the followers of AJ. One rambling conspiracy bleeding into another. If you need to cling to the belief that your government does not have your best interests at heart, feel free.

Just refrain from implying that you’re ‘owning’ the OP by regurgitating bullshit that was fed to you by men who tout such bogus evidence based on flawed logic when they’re just doing it for the publicity and money.

I don’t know who labled Alex Jones a conservative. I just viewed his film referring to the USA becoming a police state. In the first few minutes of this film he says this is  being done by Executive Order. He further goes on with his tale by
mentioning about 10 Executive Orders to bolster his theory. I thought I would check out these EOs’ before I listen and watch this 2hr film. It turnes out everyone of these EO’s were JFKs that were subsequently revoked by Nixon. HE NEVER MENTIONS THIS. BUT, he implies the EOs’ are Bush’s. He led a truther march in 2007 at the world trade center Blaming Bush and his administration.
How is this conservative thinking. This is the only theory I saw or read about him. I never heard of him before this article. The man is a lier, that makes him a progressive.
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Prison Planet is ruining my family. No joke. Thank you for writing such an amazing post, it encapsulates my exact thoughts about the website and other conspiracy theories. It is particularly disheartening to see my father, a wonderful human being, being sucked into something like this. Alex Jones’ dangerous influence has had a particularly strong hold over my father’s financial decisions, much at the cost our family’s well being. My poor mother, a hard working woman, now has to live with the fact that my dad believes some sort of apocalypse is coming tomorrow, and will now never own a house, despite our family being more than able to pay off a mortgage. We have lived in apartments our whole lives with this fear of the imminent collapse of our government and society. I’m all for safe spending and saving your money, but my dad is now ridiculously frugal, paranoid, and well… nuts. He has also become easily agitated when it comes to the exchange of “other ideas” that are not his own. Yesterday he called Carl Sagan “a stupid uneducated idiot”. *Facepalm*

So what your telling me is… i have to be an artist to read between lines?

Just read every last opinions/comments, and what i have to say is, every last person here is a NUTCASE.

Reasons why:

1. Alex Jones is a nutcase, who cares.

2. America is over weight, lets sue McDonald.

3. All Muslims are terrorist…………..

4. A little girl killed by her mother is more important then the war…………

5. There are no such thing as corruption…………

So in conclusion, i can’t wait for the next great tragedy where us Americans can band together and agree with one another again. 
  

You’re a stupid jerkoff. Don’t cry when the cops starting arresting people who don’t agree with certain policies and when we go bankrupt (which is about to happen) how everyone will riot and protest. Hell they’re already putting thousands of innocent americans on the “NO FLY LIST”; only terrorists and people who have a warrent out for them belong on that. Seriously though… the reason we can’t have any good solid evidence on these theories is because THE ASSHOLES WHO DID THIS ARE SAYING EVERYTHING IS “CLASSIFIED”! Hell, Bush wouldn’t allow congress to even see these documents… that is a dictator. Learn your history pal, they’re pulling the same scam as Hitler did… only they’ve learned from his mistakes and are taking things much slower. It seems like after  WWII ended, the evil shifted over from Germany to America; from Hitler to almost all the presidents since (except for JFK, he wasn’t perfect but he did his damn best and obeyed the law just as a regular person would). His dad was a real piece of shit though!

“Simple answers”? Ha! You’re the fools who only want simple answers, like the ones the government gives you. I will admit some of these people’s theories are ridiculous, like saying: “There were no planes on 9/11″. I just want to yell at that guy and say, “asshole! you can’t fake an entire city with illusory effects”. I remember watching that second plane hit… I was too small to understand anything at the time ( I was like 10), but when I watch a video of 9/11 now, I shed a few tears everytime. There we’re 3 planes that day and no passengers on any. 2 hit the twin towers and one got shot down, by our government, in Penn. for taking it’s own course. If you watch the pentagon “stills” you can see smoke coming from the parking lot on the other side of the building… and it’s not at any angle, it’s perfectly horizontal. Notice how the part that was getting renovated was the one to get hit.  Same for the twin towers… I think 2 weeks prior to 9/11 the, like, 79th and 80th floor of each tower was under renovation. That’s when the government agents went in as workers and sprayed nano-thermate. This is my theory, obviously not the entire theory… much too long to type out.

I’ve heard Alex Jones rant and rave about 9/11 for a while.  It’s all very simple; Two jet planes crashed into the side of these buildings compromising the integrity of the structures. With the subsequent melting of the steel superstructure the collapse began just above the crash sites and the ever increasing weight of each falling floor caused these buidings to pancake down.  There was a conpiracy, i.e. a group of terrorists in the Middle East orchestrated this attack due to a misguided understanding of the Qu’ran, and Islam.  These men are mostly dead now, and their dreams, and ideas died with them. Gosh I’m sorry for all the Chicken Little’s out there, but the sky is not falling.  

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While I respect your opinion, you should be careful about your terminology. Nano-Thermite isn’t sprayed because it isn’t a liquid it starts as a powder, then is usually mixed with liquid and compressed into a solid. People will be far less likely to believe you if you seem to not know what you are talking about.

he said “we chose to pull it” your arguements are quite weak. i admire your persistence 

i find it personally amusing how you try to discredit jones and people alike by weak arguements such as sugesting that “pull it ” meant pull the operation of fire personal. period blank that building was controled demolishing. it has been docuemented and proven. Hey man though i found your site trying to see if ok perhaps Jones is paranoid and dillusional, he still has my vote. You don’t need to be a demolation expert to understand simple terminology.  assuming “pull it” means “get everyone away and pull all the fire personal away” is just completely ridiculous. he had more to gain by that building going down.

while i don’t agree with everything Jones says. i certainly would not agree with one single thing you have expressed here.
if someone who raising concern and questions about their country , and those who run the country either a) do not respond b) say nothing but “hes a conspiricy theroist!” or threaten you with being thrown in jail , i say my vote goes to the person asking question rather than the ones evading them. 

thank you for attempting to difuse these questions but you vaugly touched the subject by providing a weak, countering opinion which lacks substance, and in which turn lacks proof to discredit jones. 

Jones has documented proof. you have assumptions and personal issues and would rather just counter opinions.