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Cody,

Would you like to know a pet peeve of mine? It’s people who don’t have an open mind toward things.

In every thread you’ve made regarding Alex Jones, you’ve simply thrown everything every conspiracy theorist has said as crap.

However, what you seem to fail to understand is that many of the conspiracy theories that you shrug off as stupid have, unfortunately, become a reality.

Let me explain: since September 11, 2001, the U.S. government has excessively abused its power. The constitution, the document that was created by our fore fathers to limit government power, has constantly been ignored by a government that would rather promote safety over liberty. Because of this, the individual liberties that the constitution gives are starting to deteriorate. Police states, warrant-less wiretapping, illegal search and seizure; these are all things that are sadly, becoming a bigger part of the society in which we exist in.

Have you ever read Orwells 1984? Considering its importance in literature, I’m going to say you have.

If you have read it, then you know of the utopia that Orwell presents in the book: a distopian society in which Big Brother (a.k.a the government) has full control over all aspects of life. A society where individual liberty is subordinate to party support, and ministries control the information that is let out into the world.

Now I’m not saying that our society has reached that point. What I am trying to say, however, is that our society that have some similarities that Orwell portrayed in his book: abuse of government power, loss of freedom, and increased surveillance. Tell me, do you think this is all just a bunch of crap as well? Or do you actually acknowledge the fact that these things do indeed exist within our society?

I’ll be honest: I am a conspiracy theorist. I have done research on groups like the Illuminati, and some of things that I have found are just to solid to be wrong.

However, I’m not like other conspiracy theorists who go around yelling and ranting without any conclusive evidence. From what I read in he Alex Jones thread you created, you can easily throw off theorists who don’t provide you with a solid argument. However, I wonder how you respond to someone like me. Unlike most of the people in that thread, I am actually providing you with a very conclusive argument with unique facts. Because of this, I’m curious as to know if you think of me as a nut-job, or someone who has actually has done his homework.

I’ve studied the 9/11 incident, and I will tell you there are some things about the incident that still don’t make sense to me. I won’t go into details, because from what I’ve read in the previous post, you seem to have no interest in listening.

One thing that I find interesting about you is that you seem to be a contradiction of your own theology. You say you’re a libertarian (I am one as well), and yet you voted for Obama. Well, I have to say that you couldn’t me more of a political hypocrite.

Tell me, what is the the point of voting for someone who goes against your political ideology? Heck, do you even support the libertarian party, or did you join the group just so you could look cool?

I would like to know why you feel justified in supporting a man who supported the federal bailout of the banks, supports sending troops to Afghanistan, supports a civil defense program, supports higher taxes, and supports bringing an incredible amount of socialistic policies into the American ideal.

If you’re really a libertarian, then why don’t you start showing your support to people like Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin, and Bob Barr?

Is it because you think they’ll never win, or do you think they’re nutcases as well because Alex Jones supports them?

I’m interested to see what you’re response will be to my questions.

Adam,

Before I say anything on the subject, I want you to take a look at how old that Alex Jones rant is. Couldn’t it be possible that my political views and attitudes regarding so-called conspiracies have changed and matured since I wrote it? True, I haven’t really posted much in the way of politics recently, but there’s no reason to assume I will always think the way I did back in September 2007.

Now, I would like to say that I’m open-minded, but one could be forgiven for thinking I’m not based on my past rants. The majority of conspiracy theorists I have come into contact with have been extremely rabid when it comes to touting their views. Any conversation ultimately ended in something along the lines of “I’m right, you’re wrong”. I was told once on a 9/11 forum to do my own research, and the forum-goers cautioned me against believing something simply because I was told to. But do you know what happened? I was told that since I didn’t believe in the conspiracy theories they presented, I was a government shill trying to shut them down. How’s that for being open-minded?

At any rate, I appreciate that you aren’t like that, but I hope you can understand why my views regarding conspiracy theorists have been a little…tinted.

Now, I don’t deny that things are becoming a bit Orwellian. One only needs to read the news to see that civil liberties are being eroded and that too few people care. But if you were to tell me that 9/11 was orchestrated in order to erode those liberties, then yes, I would say that’s crap. The more reasonable answer, to me, is that the administration during that time took advantage of 9/11 in order to gain more control over the population. It just doesn’t seem possible that the U. S. government could pull off something like 9/11 without any leaks whatsoever. But I have to admit that I haven’t done much research lately. My interest in debating conspiracy theories has waned substantially after my dealings with the kind of people who would insult me for not automatically agreeing with them.

As for my political views, I would have to say that I’m not a die-hard libertarian, though it should be mentioned that the phrase “libertarian” covers a rather large amount of political views. I call myself one for lack of a more descriptive word, because I hold civil liberties very dear, and because I believe that the free market is, ideally, the best way to go. However, I’m not a member of the Libertarian Party (or any political party, for that matter) and I don’t allow myself to be held back by any one political ideology. I suppose that I’m more liberal than libertarian (somewhere between liberal and libertarian on a Nolan chart), though it all depends on your definitions.

I was, in fact, going to place my vote for the Libertarian Party candidate until I found out Bob Barr was that candidate. I don’t like Bob Barr very much at all. His positions on civil liberties are admirable, but his past views regarding recreational drugs and same-sex marriage made me a little suspicious. No one likes a flip-flopper. As for Chuck Baldwin, I disagree strongly with his stances on abortion, homosexuality, and religion. And Ron Paul…well, he didn’t even run in the general election. No point in supporting someone who wouldn’t even run as an independent (not to mention that he chose the Republican nomination instead of the Libertarian or Constitution Party ticket).

So, I ruled out all the third-party candidates, which left McCain and Obama. Sure, I could have ruled them out as well and simply not voted, but then what kind of an American would that make me? Who lives in a country with a working democracy and doesn’t vote? I’m not that apathetic. I put my vote in for Obama because I would not stand for having yet another Republican in office, especially when that Republican looked like he might continue the policies of the past administration. Sure, there’s plenty of Obama’s policies I disagree with, but I agree with most, if not all, of his views on personal freedoms, so I’m willing to wait and see how his “socialistic policies” pan out. It may seem near-traitorous to political purists, but I’m certainly not one.

So there you have it. Hopefully I didn’t miss anything.

hi found your blog by typing in ‘alex jones mad’ just for fun.

Alex jones strings together bits of facts from all over the place and creates wonderfull dystopian tapestries which creates narrative and meaning in this most meaning- defficient culture we find ourselves in. In this sense he is very much creating a ‘religion’.

that said a blind hog occaisonaly stumbles over some food. And one of his key points is that the federal reserve which controls the USA economy (and in many ways by proxy the global economy) is a privately owned corporation who’s responsibility is to its elect band of shareholders not the rest of us. This is is not a conspiracy theory – its legal fact. All corporations are required by law to maximise profits to shareholders.

And, whilst Alex jones may be out of his tree he’s of some use if he makes this one point more widely known.